John Pace "copper" artrichard mishler
I have what appears to be a scene of a man in a gondola in Venice--with a stone bridge overhead. Copyright is 1969. On back of frame is stamped Sylvania Electric products, Santa Cruz, Calif.
Any info would be welcomed. Thanks
Caveat Emptor - John Pace is a FraudTodd
We own two John Pace “originals” that we purchased directly from John at an art show in Florida in the early 90’s.
Today we decided we wanted to see how much these pieces may be worth. We looked on-line and found a gallery in NH selling some of his work. I contacted the gallery and they e-mailed me two images of John Pace artwork which they stated were original works of art, each for $1,000. As tt turned out, one of the images was the “trail of tears”; the exact same painting we have hanging in our house. I compared the image to our painting and they are IDENTICAL to the smallest details.
Then I found this thread…
Interesting how John’s son, Joe, basically wrote a “disclaimer” regarding his father’s multiple images – see below post from 08/28/11 titled “my father John pace”. When I read this I thought wow how terrible, John Pace was “copying” his own originals…but it gets worse.
Next reference the post from 05/29/11 titled “unbelievable!” This person is 100[[%]] correct regarding the fact that Pace rips off Howard Terpning. Do an internet search for “Howard Terpning Chief Joseph Rides to Surrender” and the image you find is the exact same image as John Pace Trail of Tears. IDENTICAL; except for the background.
Turns out, Martin, who wrote the post on 04/28/07 titled “John Pace”, is 100[[%]] correct.
ok to postRichard Garcia
I remember that same day that David N. referred to in his memo dated 9/4/11. It was like yesterday! I was the other person who wanted to buy the painting that David had put that down payment. I was the one with the $500. As I spoke with John Pace, he was a humble polite man. He was generous in talking about his work and his son. John shared the artistic way in which he created his works never to let anything dry until his whole project was completed. Everything was wet from beginning to end. His art and craft was like a fresco. He stated that he taught his art to his son and his son was very talented. The first time I passed by the booth John was not there. His son was. I was interested in the last three paintings because I thought that they could not be separated. So I said I’d be back. My friend and I walked around the wine festival, had a glass of wine, but my mind was one those last three paintings. So we returned back to the booth about 30 minutes later John was there instead of his son. John stated that his son had to leave to catch a flight back to Arizona and he was in charge to finish sales and close the booth down. John told me after our wonderful talk that he just wanted to sell all three remaining paintings. He was so generous and thought my feelings of not separating the three paintings were warranted and sold me the paintings for all the money I had. The paintings show three indians warrior scouts crossing the snow covered western plains. What a treasure of history. I have enjoyed these paintings signed by John Pace as he printed his name on each of them.
High CountrySue & Gary Young
We bought our painting, "High Country" l979 at a sidewalk art show in Moraga. John was so personable and friendly and we talked for quite a while. We bought the painting for a home we were building in the mountains near Mt. Lassen. It hung
in our family room for almost 32 years and we loved it. Sadly the Ponderosa fire came through and we lost everything including the painting.
John Pace artist extraordinaire!Mimi Gates
A houseguest tonight was admiring the art we have hanging in our living room- 3 John Pace originals, and a couple of others-- equine themes which complement his works beautifully. We searched for artist information, and I learned he died in 06. I, too, met him at an art and wine festival in San Anselmo, CA, in 95, loved his work immediately, splurged (was steep for me at the time, although reasonable and accessible prices), and the next year, same festival, was sitting/waiting curb side for him first thing in the morning when he returned from getting his morning coffee. He gave me a gracious deal on two more paintings, and I still recall him sharing the stories behind each, which I continue to tell to this day- One Who is With Fort, the Hudson blanket trek in the winter landscape, and the other which always pulls my heart- the expression of a native american man confused by the concept of "private property."
John was a jovial, adorable, gregarious man, with a big heart. I am thrilled to have met and known him at those festivals, and grateful to enjoy his blessed care and creativity every day. Blessings to all his family.
John's canvases -- most of the ones that I saw (in Scottsdale over a 2-3 year time period) were done roughly the way you describe. -- Not raw canvas, but a white/brown background that looked like morning fog. I wish there were a place on the web with some pics of his paintings, but I haven't found anything.
I talked with him several times (he was an interesting guy to talk with) -- and he talked about his love for the US west, its history and native Americans. He seemed (at the time, anyway) especially interested in the figures, the dress, etc and felt that a strong background distracted from his main subjects -- hence the "foggy" background.
John PaceDavid N
I was sad to read that John Pace is no longer with us. He was a unique soul and a very kind person, and of course a wonderful artist. I met John in California at an Art and Wine festival in Mountain View. Immediately I could see that his work was head and shoulders above everything there and I fell in love with a particular piece that he had done of two members of Sitting Bulls band heading into Canada. The painting spoke to me and I wanted it badly, but I did not have the $350 that John was asking for it in my pocket at the time. John and I spoke for a while and we had an instant repoire and he and I genuinely liked each other. John had another fellow there offering him $500 for this particular painting but John told him that the painting was for me. He allowed me to make a "down payment" of the $150 that I did have on me, and return two days later with the balance. I promised that I would pick up the painting then and he insisted that I take it with me, On top of that, he "threw in" a charcoal rendering - self portrait that he had done of himself. To this day, these are two of my most cherished pieces of art that I own. His artwork is genuinely American and of the highest quality and deserves to be displayed in museums all over the country. His stature was gigantic yet his prescence was very modest and polite. He told me how he loved to teach kids to draw. I can honestly say that although I only knew him briefly, he made an indeleble impression on my life and spirit. My condolences to Nicholas and all of his relatives. Your dad was a truly gifted and kind man.
my father John pacenicholas pace
My father John Pace was I great artist. He painted and sold nearly one thousand paintings in his life time and no two were alike. Sure he would use the same subject matter over again, but each painting had a personality or soul of it's own. Every painting he did was a hand painted original, he did not print. True, he would get ideas from other artists like Howard Terpning (with whom he met and shared techniques) and Olaf Wieghorst, But my father's soft oil wash paintings were his own unique rendering of these classics, which are far beyond the means of most collectors,(save in the form of reproductions). My father wanted to make original art available to everyone, not just the chosen few. As I see the prices of Dad's work rise I am glad to see that his work is appreciated for what it is
I am personally taking a five year sabbatical after the loss of my father and marriage but plan to be doing original western oil wash paintings again in Feb.2012
see the below post.Michael Stewart
I forgot to mention that my wife and I bought them in the mid 1980's and that we met the late Mr. John Pace either in Boca Raton of Ft. Lauderdale, Fl. He was truely a GREAT MAN and a GREAT PAINTER. We were both pleased to meet him, especially me as I am a Vietnam Combat Veteran..and when he found that out he seemed to swell up with pride and welcomed me back home. Then when I found out he was also a Combat Veteran, I welcomed him back as well.
a real artist (05/29/2011)
In reading through these responses, Its unbeleivable how neive and igornant some people are---Ever hear of Howard Terpning?? You should research this real artist--this is where this pace person got most of his rips from...the pace paintings are not worth what everyone here thinks they are...
lisa o (03/04/2011)
Had the great pleasure of meeting John Pace at the Scottsdale Art Festival. I was immediately drawn to his work and appreciated him sharing the story behind each painting. After contemplating my purchase over a beer, I immediately ran back to John's tent to purchase my painting (Indian rider on horseback) and enjoy it more each day. My only regret is that I did not purchase more that day.
brenda ross (02/21/2011)
i will also say i belive pace art is on the rise. i own a small gallery in north carolina. i myself have seen an increase in the last 18 months a very fast and steady increase. i cant tell you why but i have. i feel people are investing in gold and paintings etc. they dont feel safe in the banks just yet..lol. anyway i also would had to ad my two cents. have a lord filled day !!!!!
re: dr in artdoc in southerbie
HI Phil, you are both correct and incorrect. the auction prices can and do fetch in the 5-7k range as wellas he 2800 3200 range as well. seems this past year alot of intrest has been shown in the pace works. the proof is here that we are speaking of him right now! i have been doing this line of work in newyork and paris for over 40 years. now the true value of anything is what a person is wiling to pay. we sold a pace just 3 months ago for 7600 dollars it was a native american theme. which we all know that americana paintings are very very sought after. so i say doc keep your eyes open on this fine artist,
i work for an auction house and the pace works have started to see a very very skyrocketing trend. the last one we sold was sold for 7200. and was not one of the most requested either. people are looking for the horse with indian rider any of the single indian poses etc. carry the biggest pric tag
John PacePatti Graves
I had the privilege of meeting John in 1983. I worked as a Baby photographer in a
Mall in Albany, NY. I was 19 Years old.
There was a big art show in the mall one week and John was set up right next to
my kiosk, so I was able to talk to him for hours and watch him paint.
I was so very impressed with him. He was very charismatic and as a 19 yr old girl
I might have developed a "crush". lol
I was very interested in the Native American way of life. He spent a lot of time
talking to me about Spiritualism. I Loved it. There was one particular painting
that I was able to watch him create....before my eyes! It was a painting of 3 native
Americans, sitting close together and looking straight ahead...all with different
looks on their faces. I thought it was the most beautiful painting that I had ever
I was surprised and delighted when he looked at me and asked "what do you
think?" I told him that I loved it! Then he said "no, I mean, what do you
think....should I leave the bottom white or color it in?" I stared for a few minutes
and I answered him "leave it white" I said. He smiled at me and said "yea, I think
you're right" what a Great smile he had!
He then stared at the painting and explained why the characters had those looks
on their faces. He told me that the Calvary men had just asked them if they were
interested in moving to the reservation.
That painting sat there for the remaining 3 days of the show...and I stared at it
every day! Finally, on the last day of the show, he walked over to me and said
"you really love that painting don't you?" Of course I said YES! And I told him that
I wished I could own one of his painting some day. I knew it was expensive. I had
heard him tell a few inquiring customers that the price for it was $800.00! But, on
that last day of the show, he asked me if I thought $300.00 was too much!? Yes,
He was offering it to me!
As I explained my financial situation to him, he offered to let me buy it If I could
give him 3 post dated checks! $100.00 each, He said that he would cash one,
each month for 3 months!! I couldn't believe it! That AMAZING Painting was going
to be mine!
At the end of the day, I gave him the 3 checks. He handed me MY painting! I set
it on the counter and turned around to look at him. He had the biggest smile on
his face! As tears rolled down my cheeks....He gave me a Great big hug and he
told me to look him up if I ever came to California!
I can't tell you how many times I have told this story!
I Just now read through all of the comments and I cried when I read that he had
passed away. He was an amazing man with an amazing talent and an amazing
heart! I know that he will be greatly missed my all of the people that he has touched.
I can almost hear his voice every time I look at MY painting.
Thank you John...wherever you are!
John Pace...an Amazing Guy!Jim Snyder
John showed up at my door on my 52nd birthday. He tossed me the keys to a 1991 Mercedes 560SEC, long a favorite of mine. "Happy Birthday", he said with that John Twinkle... I had met John only six months prior, on 9/11.
He had been at Normandy in WWII. After the war, John- all 160 lbs of him- was a 'Hitter'- a street fighter in Millbrae, south of San Francisco. His 'handle' was "Johnny Too-Bad... almost rap-like, eh? He bought an XK120 Jag after the war. and entered it in some events at Sears Point Raceway, accidentally discovering a talent for such things. He ended up racing for Lancia. John knew more about exotic autos than anyone I ever met! Then, somewhere between then and now, he discovered that he also had a talent for drawing. Longtime art critics have said that John 'airbrushed his backgrounds'. In reality, I'm not entirely certain John knew what an airbrush was... Those are 100[%] brushstrokes.
John was a bit of a trickster. He'd do a show in Woodside, the richest town in America and, when asked to take a check. ?" he'd ask the CEO of the Fortune 500 corporation, "I don't think so. What if you need the money for your rent?". Then, ten minutes later- if that person was still nearby- he'd tell a couple that was having a tough time deciding between a pair of paintings, "Tell you what. You can have 'em both for the price. Take ;em home and send me the money when you can..." John claimed to never have been 'burned' on one of these types of deals.
But in the end, it was the Evil Weed that got him... Tobacco, that is. Shortly before his death he showed up at the hospital where he was being treated for cancer and pulled out almost $50,000 from an old strongbox... "-to put on the bill". John finally let go on July 22, 2006. He was 76.
I was thrilled to death when, just for the heckuvit, I entered "John Pace" into eBay's search engine. And there was John's little Indian girl- in reality the daughter of my housekeeper. John had done the little girl a number of times- all a bit different- It was a "Buy it Now"... for $10,500.00! I almost sent an eMail, asking if they'd take a check!
john paceLyle Willits
I aquired one of Paces original pieces from an estate and love it. The painting is of 3 Native Americans (chief/braves) atop a hill waiting as the U.S. calvery is approaching. I wish i could find out more information about this painting, if there is anyone out there that is at all familair with it or have any info, please respond. thanks!
john pacepamela wilde
I have one of his paintings and I wanted to get in touch with him about this painting.
John Pace featured in old magazineBecky Millinger
I just found an old copy of Missouri Life magazine from 1979 (Jan-Feb) that has some of Pace's stunning work. I was taken by his painting "Going Home" of a desolate winter scene with a horse and buckboard and the least amount of detail. I am a new fan of his work and would love to see more. Apparently Pace lived in Bolivar, Missouri for a time.
John PaceRoger Carter
I purchased a painting from an Artist at a Palm Springs, CA. Art Show many years ago. The artist signed the painting Pace but I forgot the first name. I do remember that I picked up the paint from his son at the Morongo Indian Reservation in Cabazon. I have loved the painting from the very first time I saw it. It is hanging in a Very Special Spot in my home. When I moved to OK. I carried in my car by it's self. I wouldn't even trust the movers with it.
It wasn't till just tonight that I learned that it is a John Pace. Betty said his work looked unfinshed, Well that is the beauty of his work. I have a feeling he did not feel he had to paint from edge to edge of a canvas, to get the lost and lonely feel of the Native American. I remember one painting of his that was sold at the art show it was called "Trail of Tears"
You would look at it and you could feel the pain of
the Native Americans being moved from their homeland.
It to looked unfinished.
I wish I could remember the title of my painting it had something to do with a hunt, coming home empty handed.
What a Great Lost to the Art World with his passing.
john pacebetty Anthony
I purchased a paintingof an American Indian woman. the painting is very good except it looks unfinished. I received info that he copied other work and I now I do not know what to think.
Pace ArtNicholas Pace
I would like to thank you for your kind words about my father, John Pace. The last painting that he did sold for $2,500. My family and I would like to extend our gratitude to all those that have supported our work over the years, and I look forward to creating new work to be enjoyed by such fine people. Sincerely, Nicholas Pace
Grandaughter of John Pace Christal Pace
Wow! I'm really excited to read these comments. I can bet that he'd get a real kick out of all this hype. My dad is Joe Pace, the older of my Grandfather's two sons. I grew up with my mom in Hayward, CA. Sadly, I wasn't able to travel with them to all those great shows.
They were quite the trio, my dad, Grandfather, and Uncle Nick. They never really lived in one place. Always following art shows, like they were from a different time.
I can tell you my Grandfather John Pace was a distinguished, passionate man with a variety of skills. My dad and Uncle Nick are both great artists, but Grandfather ran the show. My Grandfather was incredibley charismatic and smart. The Grand-father, as we call him, dabled in many things throughout his life. He served in the war, drove racecars, had a knack for gambling, poker and black jack, and painted occasionaly.
His first wife was Native American, my dad's mom. She passed when my dad was only 14. When my dad met my mom he was excited to learn she too was California Indian (Pitt-River Tribe). So, he introduced her to John right away. She later admitted that she was more taken with John than my dad! She says he was not only handsome but full of character.
When he passed he said, "Ah, yes. I think I'll die now." That's how he was. He was ready for anything. His life was full and he was truly anticipating the next phase in his journey. The last time I talked to him, he sounded just like that. Very put together, never sweating the small stuff. He sounded at least 20 years younger than he actually was.
As far as his work, it lives on through us. On our walls and above our fireplaces. On Ebay apparently! His spirit travels still in those paintings.
But, if any of you are serious in obtaining more artwork, contact us. Uncle Nick has continued the craft. I'm always encouraging him to use some color, but the "brown period" style lives on.
Its really great to know Grandfather touched so many people's lives. Thank you for your kind words and thoughts.
John Pace PaintingsJohn Phelan
We bought 2 paintings directly from John Pace at the Saratoga, CA Art Show at DeAnza College several years ago. One is a Lacota Chief sitting on the ground contemplating his answer to the question if he would sell his land to the white man (John's explanation). The other is a graceful young Indian Maiden with a lace shall. They go together very well on our FR wall.
We looked for John at the most recent Art Show at De Anza and did not realize he had passed. His paintings are so real and "say" a great deal. I am a history buff and his paintings tell great stories. God Bless him...Amen.
John PacePat Smith
I met John Pace at the Cocoa Beach, FL art show in 1989. I purchased one of his paintings - 22"x28" - depicting a group of Indians riding horses through snow. I went to meet my brother for dinner immediately after purchasing the painting and found that he had, too, purchased a similar one from John! We each paid $350 and knew we had gotten a bargain.
In 2004, my husband & I attended the Fountain Hills AZ art show and John had already sold all but one of his paintings. When we told him about ours, he offered to buy it back for $3500! Needless to say, we didn't sell but I wonder where his $3500 price came from.
We, too, found him to be a delightful, funny man - very down-to-earth - he even posed for a picture with us.
We are sorry to hear about his death and did so enjoy the story by Roger Hickman.
We, too, would like to learn more about John - perhaps Mr. Hickman has the makings for a book!!
Thank you for sharing...
John PaceLou Meeuwenberg
My wife and I purchased one of John's paintings - 23"X28" Civil War 16th Cavalry - around 2000 at the Fountain Hills AZ art show for $1200. He only had five paintings available and we immediately were drawn to his work. It is still a favorite of ours and our guests. He was a fun character to talk to and never far from a cigarette. We are disappointed to now learn of his death in 2006. He described his technique and medium at the time but if anyone could remind us again, it would be appreciated. We found the article by Roger Hickman to be very interesting and would welcome more info to know John even better.
John PaceRuth Shochat
I agree with both Roger and
David. What a character
John was. His talent is
amazing and I'd give anything to find some more of his work but he's all but disappeared. I paid
2,000 for my 16X20, so David really lucked out. Hey David, where did you get so lucky ?? Ruth
John PaceDavid Carter
I have 2 of John's Painting's and have enjoyed them for many years.I think he's the best value out there. I paid around $1,500 for each of my 16X20 paintings
and have yet to see any other artist even come close to the quality of his artistry. If anyone can put me in touch with him, I would put very greatful. David
John Pace was an original human beingRoger Hickman
I had the opportunity to know John Pace. I lived with him in Ben Lomond, CA. in the early 70's. He married a friend of mine. He was a character amonst characters, full of life and a taste of mischief.
I'm guess he never weighed over 150 in his life yet could arm wrestle truly big and strong men and not only beat them, but shock them one and all by slamming the backs of their hads down to the bar/table instantaneously.
One time in Santa Cruz, Friday afternoon, I was headed to the famous/giant Catalyst bar/club (Neil Young and others haunt) shake off the week of work and I parked my car down the street. While I was walking down the street with purpose I was encounter by a bum out of the shadows who asked if I had any spare money to give, as I turned to say "Get a Job" I was astounded to see that the bum was John Pace, LOL. I said John, what the hell are you doing? He responded "panhandling", I stared, dumfounded, in disbelief for a few seconds and when I finally recovered a tad and trying to think of what to say, I said "Well, how'd you do?", he said $240 bucks, I laughed because that was like more than my whole paycheck for the week. Anyway, to finish the story he commented on how he'd been at it for a couple of hours and only wanted to know what it was like and that he was buying. So we stepped into the nearest bar, The Oakroom and started the afternoon off with his siganture (back then) boilermakers. Not only was John Pace a very interesting human being, he hung out with a cast of characters that would make Ken Kesey jealous.
He was, as I knew him, a trained commercial artist who "dropped out" of the system and moved to the Redwood forests of Hwy 9. He had many talents and loved old classic auto's, his 1947 convertible cadillac with the Kerterling engine, drove like a sportscar and was a dream to behold. He developed his own style/system of refinishing furniture and along with his brother Ed were quite successful in the antique business/antique shows, when they wanted to be. The commentator above, who said something about John and art from china was quite wrong, all of his art was original, he did revisit certain popular themes. He was quite proficient, very talented, sometimes just painted to eat etc. and could paint a painting, even way back then in under 2 hours, sometimes 20 minutes, that would sell for $600.00. Don't get me wrong, he was a true artist who loved his craft, yet he was full of life and arose at 4:30 in the AM for his alone time for the 10 years or so that I had the privelege to know him.
I have known a string of charactors my life to date, none of them holds candle to the amazing human being, John Pace, that I am honored to have known.
He had two fine sons, Nick was the younger, the budding older was reporter/writer as I remember and I don't remember his name, I would like to communicate with both his sons and anyone else who knew him, I have left my email address.
I have more stories that will blow the average persons mind about John Pace but I shall leave them to another time.
original oil paintingrene spaan
I have an original oil painting of John Pace, which I purchased in 1993 in Massachussettes. It's an indian walking in the hot dessert holding his thirsty horse. The idian is wearing a red bandana and a water pouch over his shoulder.
Wondering what the value of it is.
I just checked with the auction house that is listed on this site for selling Pace's "work". They said one piece sold for $400.00 while the other one sold for $600.00.They do not authenticate the origins of the work or the "artist". I would waager that most of the people who've made inquiries about the value of Pace's "work" would be better served by the old saying of "let the buyer beware". Good luck to all of you and enjoy whatever it is that you believe it to be.
I purchased a beautiful Pace painting in the 80s directly from John.I prized the painting until I saw it again and again wherever Pace was displaying his work.All in all,I must have seen this very same image at least 15 times.To my dismay,I have discovered that Pace is not an artist,but someone who markets canvas transfers from China.The artist's that he markets are generally very well known southwest artists.His son does the same thing.If you've any doubts, the next time you come across a Pace,be it father or son, ask him to paint an image larger and slightly different. I promise you that he will not be able to do that because he does not created the artwork he sells.I paid several hundred dollars for my piece and have recently seen him sell work for a couple thousand dollars. Sadly, these works of art are worthless and the Pace family should be ashamed of themselves.No one wants to believe that they've been taken advantage of,least of all me.Pace may be alot of things, but in my opinion, an artist, is not one of them.
I have one John Pace oil, (bought about 15 years ago at art show in Venice, Florida, as well as two by son Nicholas Pace. Nicholas shows yearly at S.W. Art Festival in LaQuinta, CA (late Jan. or early Feb.). He does similar work to father. His father was supposed to be a real character and the last I heard he was living in Tuscon, AZ.
John PaceLiz Simon
I have two paintings by John Pace purchased from him at art shows in Boca Raton and Delray Beach, Florida several years ago. He is my favorite artis. I had no idea that he had passed away. I would like to find out where his son will be exhibiting, if possible.
john paceron adler
i recently learned at an art fair in fountain hills,az that john pace died this year. his booth was being attended by his son who is also an artist.
john pace, indian womenbetty anthoy
I have a painting by John Pace, large painting sighned the subject is a native american women - very beautiful painting I too am looking for info.
john pacemark wilkey
Own 3 oils painted by John Pace , that resemble one on this web site.
does anyone know anything about him, where he is, how to contact him, we love his style. We purchased the paintings we have, around 1976. Bought them in San Diego at a mall, purchased from him personally. Signed on the back.